I've probably spoken to some of you about this in the past few months, but it has been working on my mind for quite a while. So here goes.
Is science really different from religion, seeing how the lay person uses either?
Primary premise for religion – thou shalt believe.
Primary premise for science – thou shalt empirical evidence.
Is this how we operate? For example, when we feel a fever coming on, we take a Crocin. I do, because that is what my dad gave me when i caught a fever. Because it has worked in the past. But does a crocin help EVERY single time we get a fever? It doesnt, but we still unfailingly take it. Isn't that a bit like religion? We pray – it may or may not work, but we trust every time that it will. If you find that behavior unscientific, observe your attitude towards doctors – a great majority of the time, doctor visits may not bring any relief , but we go to a doctor all the same – believing that he can cure us. See how it is belief that guides our behavior here, and not empirical evidence?
For the most part, science is accepted at the lay level as a set of belief systems.
This is even more interesting when you consider that the "scientifics" display the same ethnocentric attitudes as the religious do towards another – When someone questions science, he is met with ridicule and chastisement – just as someone who questions religious beliefs among its practitioners would be treated. This behavior is so strongly governed that we are often afraid to question anything that comes labelled as science.
Science does not necessarily provide easier to understand (or even seemingly logical) answers to some questions.
For example – one of these is a world view held by some indigenous people of papua new Guinea, the other is popularly accepted science.
1)The earth is a flat piece of rock covered by a blue bowl – the sun crawls up the inside of the blue bowl from east to west, and disappears under the wester rim in the evening. In the night, it travels across the outer surface of the bowl back towards east, so that it is ready for its inner surface travel next morning. The bowl however, is full of tiny perforations – therefore, in the night when the sun travels on the outer surface, you see the light filtering through as stars.
2)The earth is a ball that hangs in space. Space is a large emptiness. The earth is held in place by its attraction to the sun, which is another large ball , though of fiery gases, that stays hangs in space but stays put. The earth travels around the sun, of its own volition, guided by something called gravity – a type of attraction. This attraction dos not lead the earth to crash into the sun though, as it would seem likely. Only around and around the sun, endlessly.
Which seems more plausible? Why do you choose to believe in one and not the other? If you had no formal scientific or religious education ever, as a healthy thinking adult, which of these would sound more logical? And how much of your choice is guided by your own original thinking, and how much by faith?
Consider, further, that 'scientists” and “priests” have certain shared qualities;
1.Both have to undergo several years of intense education in their respective methods before they are pronounced fit for their label.
2.Both use language and terminology that is not straight-forward to the lay public
3.Both, either directly or indirectly, end up believing that a person who doesn't subscribe to their views are ignorant, dangerous or both.
4.While they are willing to accept what seem absurdities of enormous proportions in their own field, they tolerate no such thing in the other's field.
Let me make a final point with, say, the virus theory as example.
1.Do you believe that viruses cause illness? Why?
2.Have you seen a virus? How probable is it that everyone who believes in their existance has seen one?
3.Do you personally have methods to prove that viruses do exist and do cause illnesses?
Most of us have to resort to our unshakable faith in scientists / doctors - it boils down to trust, in the end.
Now consider this:
1.A person educated in his religion believes that illness is caused by evil spirits / evil eye.
2.He hasn't seen a spirit himself, but is convinced there are other people who have. (his shaman / medicine man / amman koil poosari, for example).
3. He has seen exorcism give relief to others, maybe even to himself, and takes his witch doctor's claims as bonafide.
His world view here boils down to his trust in his witch doctor's special skills / education.
How are we different from this person?
If you catch yourself saying that you know trustworthy scientists that personally know how viruses work, remember that millions of people believe that the pope speaks to god.
Most significantly, believers in science will tolerate anything but disbelief in science. Even questions like the ones raised here are often treated with alarm, and as a kind of blasphemy. as soon as they meet some one who is blatently unscientific, there is a zealous attempt at "conversion", "education" and "enlightening" that rivals any religious missionary. It is here, ironically, that the 'scientifics" resemble their enemies the most.
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Thursday, April 26, 2007
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If religion means faith/ belief, Science could be considered as a discipline of faith, a stream which allows reasoning and analytical belief. It cannot be imposed like religion. The beauty of science remains that it gives scope for the believers to physically attempt and derive at ones own conclusions and desired results. For example if I believe that Crocin does not do much for my headache and that I need a stronger Panadol to do the trick, science gives me scope to venture, unlike religion. No matter what your faith in god is, it doesn’t give much scope to experiment. What would a believer do when his belief is strained? He could only question the existence of god. How much can he alter his scope of belief? He could either believe or not believe.
over to you Sandy!
There is one big difference though. The scientific community undergoes a constant process of self analysis and criticism, whereas, it is not allowed in religion.
Science acknowledges the fact that what is known today is just that - 'what is known today'. It is not the absolute truth. That is why there is constant activity among scientists like research, publications, symposiums, peer reviews, etc.
Heck, that is why the term 'research': "a human activity based on intellectual investigation and aimed at discovering, interpreting, and revising human knowledge" (according wikipedia). 'Revising' is the key word here.
Compare this to religion. There is no place for questions. What is said in the Bible/Quran/Vedas is the absolute truth for the respective followers. Islam does not allow any sort of alternate interpretation to the contents of the Quran.
The standard response of hard core christians to questions about faith would be 'because the Bible says so'.
Our 10 std. science book would be different from today's 10 std. science book. The bible was written a few thousand years ago, and is still unchanged. That for me, is the difference between science and religion:-)
Om, great point you make. science has an in built update feature, while religion is stuck in time.
The lay person on the street still approaches science pretty much like he does religion - do you see what I mean? Religion adn Science are in themselves different from each other, but they are scooped up with the same spoon by the Joe off the street.
try seperating what science / religion is, from how either is processed by people. See if that does anything to you. What interests me is how similarly they are treated.
hey, i should have mentioned it in my original comment; i concur with almost all other points in your original post... of course, they make for a very good conversation :-)
Well, I am happy that I read through the comments section before I started writing one of my own, else I would have definitely ended up writing anotheon my own, in answer to yours :) . I saw that in your response to Om you have said that you just wanted to make a point about how science and religion are 'perceived by the average Joe' whereas a few statements your blog that give space for a moot point - for e.g. this statement - "If you catch yourself saying that you know trustworthy scientists that personally know how viruses work, remember that millions of people believe that the pope speaks to god".
Here a person 'knows' a scientist but millions 'believe' in the pope. I guess that is where the basic divide starts. Science is something which people tend to feel they know because as you say of 'empirical evidence'. Whereas religion as it is practised and propagated to the grass roots of society is more of faith.
I guess the difference in perception is largely a factor of the average Joe's exposure to self-experimented truth. There are those who still think that the no one has ever set foot on the moon (if you remember, Kamakshi paati was one of those who swore by this) and there are those who have had the opportunity to expose themselves even to the most basic of telescopes and have caught a closer view of the moon who going by the evidence presented by the scientific community would 'know' that man has indeed set foot on the moon.
Another interesting example is our servant maid Rani - she still firmly believes that India is the only land mass on the earth and that Marina beach was the starting of the all encompassing water mass, but her daughter who was fortunate enough to see the World map once knows better.
So basically the point i am trying to make here is, depending on the exposure of the person to self-experimented scientific truths, their perception levels will proportionately vary.
Another point which may not be completely relevant to this topic but is worth a mention is that the abstraction of science and religion as it has been propagated to the world is in itself flawed, i would say.
Well, science has always had the advantage of being 1. projected as something backed by research and hence being plausible
2. The common factor among the audience of science would be a fair understanding and having had the opportunity to have proved to themselves by experiment, at least one scientific fact
Whereas religion has always
1. moved more by faith and faith in a person or an entity who represents the belief.
2. The audience of religion unlike science is more diverse - anyone from a millionaire to a pauper, the only uniting factor being faith
In the end, science has its own course of slow experimental progress into space and the truths beyond whereas religion unfortunately due to various reasons fails to tread beyond its strict regimens of rituals and rites, thus curtailing its own progress into the realm of spirituality which is in fact the ultimate science.
Sowms, got all your comments- I've to ok them before they appear on the blog - this is just to check spam or ads :)
I'll reply more detailedly later, but thought I'll send just a couple of thoughts across now -
1. "Here a person 'knows' a scientist but millions 'believe' in the pope."
- Sweety, what does "knowing" a scientist amount to? the pope definitely exists - millions of people "know" him too - but does knowing someone translate to finding him trustworthy? they choose to 'believe" in him, for personal, often cultural reasons right?
Just as you "know" Einstein - but do you have personally verification for everything he said? Can you work his theories out from the scratch to prove or disprove him? Just as may not be able to personally verify the pope's claims, you (or at least most people , me for example) cannot personally verify the claims of Einstein, but we do believe in him :))
You know, my point is, when you don't have the means to verify every claim, religious or scientific, it really boils down to faith. I'd rather trust Einstein than pope, without being able to verify the claims of the one or the other. The only basis I can do this is based on my personal culture - in my case,e it tends to be an upbringing involving respect for and trust in science. you don't have to agree with it, but do you see my point here?
2. There are those who still think that the no one has ever set foot on the moon (if you remember, Kamakshi paati was one of those who swore by this)
As an interesting aside, there are perfectly scientifically trained people who increasingly believe that the moon landing might have been staged - Kamakshi pati might have had something going, actually :)
That doesn't make the rest of humanity that believes that the moon landing actually happened fools - we heard about the science, it seemed theoretically possible, then we saw the footage, even the most orthodox scientific minds seemed convinced.
Interestingly, people who have specific training in space technology and aero-space research are the most skeptical. If that sounds incredible to you, my source 9am checking with him if it is OK to use his name) who is a scientist of good standing in ISRO, thinks it is complete bullhockey - I spoke to a senior retired gentleman who retired from the same grade in ISRO as Dr. Kalam had held - say that it was bullhockey. Apparently, in the Space Research community, the moon landing is a sort of a party joke.
I was shocked out of my wits, but how do i adjust my opinion on this now? If either camp presented their reasons why the moon landing could or couldn't happen, It would make no sense to me, the lay Jane. So I choose to "believe" my sources, because i "know" they are scientists and at a personal level, good people that i personally can vouch for.
Therefore, how different is my route here from kamakshi pati's who decided not to believe in the whole thing because she modeled her opinion on that of the only person she personally knew and respected in the entire debate - let us say the paramacharya? (disclaimer: I do not know what the paramacharya thought about this affair – this is just an example)
My point is, it doesn't matter what the truth is. We accept as our truth that which comes from the most "trustworthy" source. yes, self experimenting can prove some facts - but a thumping majority of scientific facts that we take for granted, we do so based on trust in the opinion of someone who we think is not a liar.
makes for interesting conversation, doesn't it?
Ran thru all your comments and found it to be interesting. The simple difference between science and religion is the interpretation of things according to their own suitability / purpose
A Pope would interprete the below sentence as
GOD IS NOW HERE
While a scientist would interpret the same as
GOD IS NO WHERE
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